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I decided it was time to swap the snow tires for my summer tires and did it myself, to see how the jack 'works' on the Colorado. I've got a bone stock 2016 Crew Cab 4WD Diesel. The factory jack works fine on the rear end, but wouldn't lift high enough to get the front wheels clear of the ground without 2 inches of wood blocking under the jack! This was on a concrete garage floor, so there was no settling.


And I still have to visit the dealer because I don't have the magic box that resets the tire pressure sensor reader. But at least I know that I need to carry blocks for the jack.
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Where did you put jack on the front of truck? It is supposed to go on the edge of the rail, behind the front tire, specially marked spot. Hard to believe GM's designer missed something as basic as this.

If all I am doing is changing a flat on the road, I would likely cheat and put the jack underneath part of the suspension, so that the suspension did not sag down and require me to jack higher than I wanted. If rotating tires, I would typically use my roll around jack and some jack stands in some combination, would never mess with the truck's jack. Now you have me thinking i better go check out the jack in my spare time.

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I decided it was time to swap the snow tires for my summer tires and did it myself, to see how the jack 'works' on the Colorado. I've got a bone stock 2016 Crew Cab 4WD Diesel. The factory jack works fine on the rear end, but wouldn't lift high enough to get the front wheels clear of the ground without 2 inches of wood blocking under the jack! This was on a concrete garage floor, so there was no settling.


And I still have to visit the dealer because I don't have the magic box that resets the tire pressure sensor reader. But at least I know that I need to carry blocks for the jack.

It's good to find that out when you are not on the side of the highway.

On my 2008 Canyon, I can't get the supplied bottle jack under the front control arm when the tire is flat. And, jacking under the centre of the frame did not get the tire off the ground. I found that out on the side of the highway, at night.

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It's good to find that out when you are not on the side of the highway.

On my 2008 Canyon, I can't get the supplied bottle jack under the front control arm when the tire is flat. And, jacking under the centre of the frame did not get the tire off the ground. I found that out on the side of the highway, at night.
I have seen that issue before.

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Cary, yes, I put the jack under the depression in the frame rail where the owners manual said it should be located. From the other contributions it sounds like I am not alone ....


I do have a hydraulic roll-around jack, but I wanted to see how the factory stuff worked in practice. Cross my fingers, but it has been about thirty years since I changed a flat on the road with my own vehicle, but I did a roadside change for my wife a couple of years ago when she got a nail through the sidewall of a one-week old snow tire on her Subaru. But at least I was prepared that time - I had installed the snows myself.
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Good to know! Granted with my lift it really wouldn't do anything. I carry a lightweight racing jack in my truck just in case. Probably overkill for those that don't off-road.

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I haven't used a stock jack in years, that being said, I keep a 1 foot square, 2+" thick board in my truck(s). Gives a slight height advantage, more for a secure base for a stock jack. (you only get to change a flat on a gravel uneven base)
I actually use a plastic recycled stair runner that I cut up, wood gets wet, rots and smells over time.
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Got a puncture on my front passenger side tire a couple months back at work and had to use the factory jack. It worked fine for me. Was able to completely lift it up with plenty of room to easily remove the tire and replace it with the spare. Though I do remember I got to a point where I thought the jack was fully extended and didn't have enough room. Just had to keep turning and it eventually went up higher.
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If all I am doing is changing a flat on the road, I would likely cheat and put the jack underneath part of the suspension,
Heck Cary, I'd 'cheat' a bit more and call AAA
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I haven't looked but do the stock bottle jacks have a spin out head that extends the height like most bottle jacks do?

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I haven't looked but do the stock bottle jacks have a spin out head that extends the height like most bottle jacks do?
These are a screw type bottle jack as opposed to the hydraulic bottle jacks, so I think the entire travel is controlled by turning the knob to raise the jack.

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I 'phoned the GM customer service line yesterday to advise them of my problem. I got a call-back today asking me to take the truck to my dealer for them to investigate/demonstrate how to use the jack. I have a suspicion that someone questions my competence.
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Heck Cary, I'd 'cheat' a bit more and call AAA

I will see your cheat and raise you to call GM roadside assistance.
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I 'phoned the GM customer service line yesterday to advise them of my problem. I got a call-back today asking me to take the truck to my dealer for them to investigate/demonstrate how to use the jack. I have a suspicion that someone questions my competence.
Just a thought. If the front tire were flat you would likely be able to get it to clear with the jack so you can pull it off. Truck tire with a flat spot is what 6 to 8 inches less diameter in the flat spot? As far as the spare it is smaller that the standard tire so do you think you would have enough clearance to get the smaller spare on with that jack? I'm thinking GM might have done what they always do with stuff like that. The bare minimum for the intended purpose which is taking off a flat and putting on a spare. Rotating full size tires probably isn't the intended use of the jack kit.

Just spit balling here but I expect that is how it would work.

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I 'phoned the GM customer service line yesterday to advise them of my problem. I got a call-back today asking me to take the truck to my dealer for them to investigate/demonstrate how to use the jack. I have a suspicion that someone questions my competence.
They almost have to questions the customer's competence, there are a lot of idiots out there (not saying you are one by the way). Who knows, maybe you're are missing something or it could be an actual issue that actually seeing the use will help them diagnose and correct for you.

I'll be interested to see what the final result is of this.


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yeah, but the full tire would not fit back on
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If you let the air out of the tires on the opposite side, the truck will lean, the side you are trying to change tire on will tilt upwards, and voila, you can change the tire.

I actually remember once working on a vehicle, had the vehicle balanced on the roll around jack, and by tilting the whole vehicle on the jack I could get the additional clearance to do what ever I was doing.

Let me strongly suggest that you don't do anything I suggest here without first checking with your life, medical, and burial insurance policies.

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I haven't used a stock jack in years, that being said, I keep a 1 foot square, 2+" thick board in my truck(s). Gives a slight height advantage, more for a secure base for a stock jack. (you only get to change a flat on a gravel uneven base)
I actually use a plastic recycled stair runner that I cut up, wood gets wet, rots and smells over time.
Ditto for me... being at the coast, with sandy road shoulders, a firm base is a must for keeping any on-board portable scissors or bottle jack supported. Learned that in Cape Hatteras many moons ago.


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Let me strongly suggest that you don't do anything I suggest here without first checking with your life, medical, and burial insurance policies.


Just ask the wife.. mine always encourages iffy solutions... "go ahead.. crawl under the car held with a split 2x4".... guess my policies are paid.
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I had a similar issue when I was taking both tires off the front of my 15 z71 CC LB. I could get one side off, but could not jack the front up high enough to get both sides on jack stands to get both tires off at the same time. I went ahead and bought a floor jack. I was looking for an excuse anyway haha.

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