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My dealer said he had one guy bring his 2.8 back and say he just could not stand how slow it was. Taking almost 10 seconds to get up to 60 MPH when trying to merge into traffic was just not worth the 600 pounds of increased towing and fuel savings.

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I opted for the SLT (custom ordered) over the Denali because for an extra ~$8K I couldn't justify the changes.

1. Bose and Navigation -- no desire for these with AA and Bose is just so-so.
2. Heated Steering Wheel -- yeah, I'm in Texas, pass.
3. Different Grill -- well, everyone in my neighborhood has a Denali of some sort, so the standard grill actually stands out.
4. 20" Wheels -- More sidewall on the 18's = less worrying about how close to a curb you are.
5. Forward Collision Alert / Lane Departure Warning -- yeah, I'd just turn them off.
6. Wireless charging pad -- I guess nice for my passengers, but with AA you must use USB and it charges anyway.
7. Ventilated seats -- this would have been nice to have.
8. Running boards -- not a fan and I'm leaning toward the AMP Research power boards for my truck.
9. Better Leather seats -- well that's to be seen, but I tend to take care of my leather surfaces frequently so I'm not too worried.

I think that covered all the differences vs. the 2017 SLT that I ordered, so for just the ventilated seats, I'll deal with it. Plus my truck stays in the garage when I'm home, too.

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My dealer said he had one guy bring his 2.8 back and say he just could not stand how slow it was. Taking almost 10 seconds to get up to 60 MPH when trying to merge into traffic was just not worth the 600 pounds of increased towing and fuel savings.
Must not know how to drive a diesel and keep it in the low rpms where it will just keep pulling. Or he thought a diesel truck was supposed to be fast. Idiots out there for sure, if he wanted fast he should have bought a muscle car. The Dmax is built to tow and work as a truck is normally used for.

Not to mention the diesel will hold the 60 mph towing going up a 8% grade, where the gas trucks fall back and are s.ucking fuel back at 4500 rpm trying to hold speed on the grade

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Must not know how to drive a diesel and keep it in the low rpms where it will just keep pulling. Or he thought a diesel truck was supposed to be fast. Idiots out there for sure, if he wanted fast he should have bought a muscle car. The Dmax is built to tow and work as a truck is normally used for.

Not to mention the diesel will hold the 60 mph towing going up a 8% grade, where the gas trucks fall back and are s.ucking fuel back at 4500 rpm trying to hold speed on the grade
The diesel only has 181hp. Its slow. No way around that fact. The 181hp diesel is also not going to out-pull the 300hp V6 up a grade. Yes its screaming near redline and guzzling gas, but its designed to handle that without a problem.

TFL Truck Ike Gauntlet towing test. Same 5500 lbs trailer, 8 miles climbing 2k feet up to 11k feet, with an upper section up to a 7% grade. The V6 beat the diesel by a minute. 7:54 vs 8:55. The V6 should also have been at a disadvantage at that altitude since it is normally aspirated. Turbocharged engines can usually make up some for the thinner air. The diesel was far more efficient. 6.7 mpg vs 3.6 mpg for the V6.

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Did they install the wrong heat / ventilation buttons? Shouldn't the driver side also have the ventilation button?
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Did they install the wrong heat / ventilation buttons? Shouldn't the driver side also have the ventilation button?
Yea I made the same comment on Cameron's video... Not sure what is going on there.

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Did they install the wrong heat / ventilation buttons? Shouldn't the driver side also have the ventilation button?


Another member here had the same issue but on a collie. Which doesn't get ventilated seats...

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The diesel only has 181hp. Its slow. No way around that fact. The 181hp diesel is also not going to out-pull the 300hp V6 up a grade. Yes its screaming near redline and guzzling gas, but its designed to handle that without a problem.

TFL Truck Ike Gauntlet towing test. Same 5500 lbs trailer, 8 miles climbing from 2k to 11k feet, with an upper section up to a 7% grade. The V6 beat the diesel by a minute. 7:54 vs 8:55. The V6 should also have been at a disadvantage at that altitude since it is normally aspirated. Turbocharged engines can usually make up some for the thinner air. The diesel was far more efficient. 6.7 mpg vs 3.6 mpg for the V6.




The way they drove the diesel just proves my point. You can't run it up at 3000 rpm and expect it to pull the best it can. If they had actually backed off and let the diesel upshift and pull at 2300- 2500 rpm it would have actually pulled faster and got even better fuel economy. If you back off to allow higher gear and better fuel economy on the gas it would slow down and HAVE to downshift sending rpm back into redline . Knowing how to use torque and gearing is key to making the diesel shine. There is no way the service life will be as long with a gas running over 5000 rpm and the diesel running 2300 rpm doing the same work . There is no comparison when towing gas vs diesel , comfort and no drama is key to the towing. Now go down that steep grade , the diesel will be holding back that load with very little stress or input from operator, gas will have you braking and downshifting much more. Over a long trip that can be very tiring.
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Torque means nothing without rpm. Horsepower is everything. In the video the duramax was running 3000 rpm and peak horsepower is at 3400 rpm. Meaning it didn't even have enough power to accelerate to get to peak horsepower. Upshifting and running it at lower rpm where its making less horsepower would slow them down.

Yes the diesel is a better all around tow vehicle for fuel efficiency, durability, and stopping. However when it comes to acceleration and speed (once moving), more horsepower wins.

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Must not know how to drive a diesel and keep it in the low rpms where it will just keep pulling. Or he thought a diesel truck was supposed to be fast. Idiots out there for sure, if he wanted fast he should have bought a muscle car. The Dmax is built to tow and work as a truck is normally used for.

Not to mention the diesel will hold the 60 mph towing going up a 8% grade, where the gas trucks fall back and are s.ucking fuel back at 4500 rpm trying to hold speed on the grade
I agree to some extent. But there is no way to make the truck faster. Its not just slow...its dog slow. If you buy it to just tow exclusively then that is a good move. If the truck is going to be your DD, merging onto a busy freeway is going to be a nightmare.

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Todd is right.
Horsepower is a function of rpm and torque, lower rpm is going to result in lower hp. hp = T*n /5252
Yeah if they decreased speed they would get better torque but then loosing a lot of hp. The torque will get it moving, the hp will keep it moving.

Also, 10 sec 0-60 is pretty slow, no polishing that. It's a truck, diesel truck, so it ain't winning any raced but can't ignore that is indeed pretty slow.

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I took my 15 Colorado to Maine through the mountains of Vermont last summer towing a 7' wide travel trailer weighing 5900 lbs and 5 of us in the cab. I completely agree that I was able to make it up the hills quickly but I didn't like the sound of my truck pegged trying to do it and surely didn't enjoy the mpg. I am planning the same trip this summer and can't wait to try with my new minimax. I think both my wife and I will enjoy it a great deal more at 2500-3k rpm up those slopes! We will see.
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I took my 15 Colorado to Maine through the mountains of Vermont last summer towing a 7' wide travel trailer weighing 5900 lbs and 5 of us in the cab. I completely agree that I was able to make it up the hills quickly but I didn't like the sound of my truck pegged trying to do it and surely didn't enjoy the mpg. I am planning the same trip this summer and can't wait to try with my new minimax. I think both my wife and I will enjoy it a great deal more at 2500-3k rpm up those slopes! We will see.
That's pretty loaded. Probably right at the payload limit. Nice to know it handles it fine in hills.

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TFL Truck Ike Gauntlet towing test. Same 5500 lbs trailer, 8 miles climbing from 2k to 11k feet, with an upper section up to a 7% grade. The V6 beat the diesel by a minute. 7:54 vs 8:55. The V6 should also have been at a disadvantage at that altitude since it is normally aspirated. Turbocharged engines can usually make up some for the thinner air. The diesel was far more efficient. 6.7 mpg vs 3.6 mpg for the V6.
Just for clarification since I live in the state and know that section of road pretty well. It doesn't go from 2k to 11k in 8 miles, that would be insane. There is 2k feet of elevation gain in 8 miles (which is still pretty steep for the interstate). I believe their starting elevation is around 8k.
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Just for clarification since I live in the state and know that section of road pretty well. It doesn't go from 2k to 11k in 8 miles, that would be insane. There is 2k feet of elevation gain in 8 miles (which is still pretty steep for the interstate). I believe their starting elevation is around 8k.
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At 2:19 in the video review it looks as though the Denali still has a manual lever for adjusting the seat back angle? Are you kidding me??
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Did they install the wrong heat / ventilation buttons? Shouldn't the driver side also have the ventilation button?

It looks like it's wrong. But I have seen pictures of another Denali on a dealerships website and it also has the same buttons for the seats. I wonder if the first batch is all wrong. Hope mine is right when it's made.
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