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I really EXPECT the GM "members" of this forum to make an intelligent response. Either it CAN be done on the DIC, or it can't, AND the reason why. If enough voices on this forum hammer away, we will get a response.

Given it's the weekend, perhaps we could get a response from GM next week? Hey, I'd even be willing to PAY a little for the upgrade.

Perhaps some of the tuner vendors might be able to hack the DIC??
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Two things that have become automatic now when I start the truck is check the 4X4 knob and turn off the Auto Headlights. I'm actually becoming aware now when my knee hits the knob.
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I really EXPECT the GM "members" of this forum to make an intelligent response. Either it CAN be done on the DIC, or it can't, AND the reason why. If enough voices on this forum hammer away, we will get a response.

Given it's the weekend, perhaps we could get a response from GM next week? Hey, I'd even be willing to PAY a little for the upgrade.

Perhaps some of the tuner vendors might be able to hack the DIC??
They're already fully aware of the 'complaint/issue'.

You're probably better off having a Protest on their front lawn. Everyone is doing it!!

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Seems like it would be easy enough for GM to program in one of those unused idiot lights next to the analog gauges...No?

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No auto. I have the Colorado, so I'm talking 4 high.
Ah yes, I tested it today. It does indeed behave like that. You are absolutely correct, it needs an indicator in the DIC. It seems unbelievable they didn't do that. And the 17 is still the same they say?

You need one of these. Simple but effective. I wired mine so green is 2WD, blue 4H, red 4L.
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GM Customer Service regularly reads this forum. But that will not likely accomplish much.
Better off to find a GM engineering and staff list, plant manger, assistant plant manager in Wentszville and write them a polite email or letter outlining both the detrimental mechanical effects of this issue and, more importantly, the Safety aspects.
Locking the wheels up in 4WD
can stall the vehicle in a turn on dry pavement and also do damage to the drive train. If this happens in traffic, an accident and Personal Injury could likely result.

With the number of trucks on 3 shifts that GM is cranking out, a simple move of an indicator light or, adding an additional one, is a cheap fix. There are little to no rebates on these hot selling trucks. That means thousands in profit on each truck sold.

GM is more likely to respond to a Safety issue than a convenience or nuisance concern.
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GM Customer Service regularly reads this forum. But that will not likely accomplish much.
Better off to find a GM engineering and staff list, plant manger, assistant plant manager in Wentszville and write them a polite email or letter outlining both the detrimental mechanical effects of this issue and, more importantly, the Safety aspects.
Locking the wheels up in 4WD
can stall the vehicle in a turn on dry pavement and also do damage to the drive train. If this happens in traffic, an accident and Personal Injury could likely result.

With the number of trucks on 3 shifts that GM is cranking out, a simple move of an indicator light or, adding an additional one, is a cheap fix. There are little to no rebates on these hot selling trucks. That means thousands in profit on each truck sold.

GM is more likely to respond to a Safety issue than a convenience or nuisance concern.
A safety concern is indeed a great "ploy".

An aftermarket add-on as done by others (multicolored LED added to the dash somewhere) is a solution. That requires some skills that we may or may not all have.

A simple software upgrade by GM is a MUCH better solution (IF it can be done). I bet there were some past arguments in GM engineering about this very subject...

Still, I would REALLY like GM's response!
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Did the same thing after the same snowfall in NY. Felt like a big dummy...

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I know this has been addressed before by our members. And I know member warpster did a DIY add-on and we thank him for that. But my rant is aimed at you GM! We shouldn't have to tear apart our new dash to correct something that should have been easily engineered at the factory.
You could have just moved the 4X4 knob up in plain view and that would have sufficed. But as we all know, that knob is obscured by the steering wheel.
I had my first incident yesterday concerning this. We had used 4X4 during a snowfall here in Pennsylvania. Needless to say, the knob was left on 4 wheel high. My wife drove it on a short shopping run the next day after the roads were clear. I guess she didn't notice that the 4X4 was engaged.
The second day later I drove about 5 miles and had to make a sharp turn at low speed. That's when I felt that dreaded "I'm in 4X4 on dry pavement" feeling. I looked down and around the steering wheel and saw that tiny light on the knob. I was not happy.
So, GM, when are you going to add a fix for this? How much strain on our drivetrains are we going to put up with? What about the people who are not that technical and keep driving in 4X4 on dry pavement? How much damage will they do without even knowing better?
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Seems like it would be easy enough for GM to program in one of those unused idiot lights next to the analog gauges...No?

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Ah yes, I tested it today. It does indeed behave like that. You are absolutely correct, it needs an indicator in the DIC. It seems unbelievable they didn't do that. And the 17 is still the same they say?

You need one of these. Simple but effective. I wired mine so green is 2WD, blue 4H, red 4L.
In the case of the OP, if it were me , you could have a flashing light on the dash and my wife would still not see it , or even put it back in 2wd , thinking i must have left it on for a reason
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They're spending money & time over-engineering in all the wrong places.

Right now, they're probably working on a program that'll read the outside temperature, connect with the local forecast predictions, A camera to SEE it snowing - and it would automatically engage your truck in 4WD on its own.

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And you still wouldnt know you were in Auto or 4wd because there's no indicator
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Well - nothing is (usually) 'simple' but I'd agree that it's highly likely that it COULD be fixed via a software update given how everything else on the truck is connected.
I agree but GM has 209,000 employees, probably double that in contractors and been building cars for 100+ years. Saying it's too difficult to add an icon to a digital computer display, but are able to build driverless cars, is not something I'll accept. To be honest because this a safety concern, may damage the vehicle's drive train and is such a top complaint I'm surprised they haven't addressed it yet. This type of lack of attention to detail and neglect of their customer base is exactly why they went bankrupt once already.
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GM Customer Service regularly reads this forum. But that will not likely accomplish much.
Better off to find a GM engineering and staff list, plant manger, assistant plant manager in Wentszville and write them a polite email or letter outlining both the detrimental mechanical effects of this issue and, more importantly, the Safety aspects.
Locking the wheels up in 4WD
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With the number of trucks on 3 shifts that GM is cranking out, a simple move of an indicator light or, adding an additional one, is a cheap fix. There are little to no rebates on these hot selling trucks. That means thousands in profit on each truck sold.

GM is more likely to respond to a Safety issue than a convenience or nuisance concern.

If anyone does take the initiative to contact the Wentzville plant, engineering and both the plant manager and the assistant plant manager would be a good path.

Also, if any of you can come up with a useless or unnecessary/redundant, etc, part that can be eliminated, it would be a good "trade" to resolve the 4X4 indicator issue and provide a better or more visible location. I have seen where an extra rubber bumper under the hood was not needed and saved $1.10 plus installation and inventory. You multiply that times 200,000 vehicle a year and the savings becomes significant. And those savings could be used for something else.

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Ah yes, I tested it today. It does indeed behave like that. You are absolutely correct, it needs an indicator in the DIC. It seems unbelievable they didn't do that. And the 17 is still the same they say?

You need one of these. Simple but effective. I wired mine so green is 2WD, blue 4H, red 4L.
Looks easier than pulling your dash bezel apart, how did you do it?

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Just picked up my 2017 last night so should be getting a survey. I'm going to complain about the lack of the indicator and the dim headlights compared to my Equinox. One complaint will not sound any alarms but a hundred or more will get somebody's attention if we hint of a safety issue.
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Looks easier than pulling your dash bezel apart, how did you do it?
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instead of using his little board just use the round LED glued in a hole. Easy. You have to remove the dash bezel which is very easy too. (unless you want to put it somewhere else) If you can solder and drill a hole you are good to go. You can put the LED anywhere you want. I put it there because I felt it would make since to be near the PRNDL indicator. Use resistors to get the brightness you want, I think I used a few 1k's in series. get some 10k's too because that LED is bright.
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instead of using his little board just use the round LED glued in a hole. Easy. You have to remove the dash bezel which is very easy too. (unless you want to put it somewhere else) If you can solder and drill a hole you are good to go. You can put the LED anywhere you want. I put it there because I felt it would make since to be near the PRNDL indicator. Use resistors to get the brightness you want, I think I used a few 1k's in series. get some 10k's too because that LED is bright.
Nice!! I should ask my husband - he makes circuit boards for a living. Even if you had ONE light that's ON when in 2WD, is better than nothing at all. Too many projects on ones mind - not enough time!! LOL
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I've gotten into the habit that if I used 4x4 I switch it back to 2WD when I park. Not having a clear 4WD indicator is a minor inconvenience IMHO, more important things in life to worry about.
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^It is something to worry about if your knee hits the knob knocking it into 4wd and you don't even realize it. I'm with the OP on this one.... GM made it so that I get an email every time a bulb goes out, but no kind of notification that it's in 4wd. Seems kind of silly
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I've gotten into the habit that if I used 4x4 I switch it back to 2WD when I park. Not having a clear 4WD indicator is a minor inconvenience IMHO, more important things in life to worry about.
You're absolutely right..... However - I will never remember to change it back to 2WD when I park because I am thinking about those *more important things in life* to worry about.

OUT OF SIGHT, OUT OF MIND is totally true in my case (or most people) and why an indicator light is most useful.
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is there an unused light in there? Now that I think about it when you put it in 4 low 2 lights come on right? traction control and something else?

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