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Depending on how much you drive, a couple of grand goes a long way toward paying for the extra gas of that guzzler for a couple of years.

I had no illusions about saving money on fuel when I bought my diesel. I paid the extra for the towing capabilities, and it has outdone my expectations. If I get 10 years out of it, the price was well worth it.
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post #62 of 181 (permalink) Old 08-22-2016, 07:09 PM
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went for a test drive in socal on Saturday as well - the only thing they talked about was MAYBE it being tagged and getting 5% off. I'm looking for that 10% range that Schwartz is looking for too...
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I don't feel I paid ridiculous money for my truck. I ordered it the way I wanted without extra cost add-ons. $38,042 before TTL.
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I don't feel I paid ridiculous money for my truck. I ordered it the way I wanted without extra cost add-ons. $38,042 before TTL.


This. $3500 more for a more fuel friendly and towing ability truck? Oh no.
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This has been my argument about diesels for a little while now but inevitably everyone on these diesel forums gets butthurt when I bring it up. You cannot economically justify buying a diesel for MPG's and buy a high trim level. The guys on the EcoDiesel ram forums get particularly butthurt over this. They complain about how "bad" the gas mileage is for the V8 1/2 ton trucks but then go out and pay $45-50K for an EcoDiesel Laramie Longhorn and brag about their gas mileage while paying $800 a month on the loan. In my eyes, the GM twins are even worse. You can at least get money off of the ED Rams, but getting no money off of the Colorado is silly. No one should be paying more than 40k for any of these trucks regardless of trim.

Until the people who are willing to throw ridiculous money at the initial production of these trucks get taken out of the equation, we wont see prices drop. It looks like maybe that is happening in some places, but certainly not here. I see a dmax colorado or canyon almost daily here in Park City Utah and the dealers arnt moving on price. The local dealer told me $500 off MSRP on a $41,000 LT diesel. Sorry, but I'd rather drive my gas guzzling half ton for that price.
Jeez dude...Just a LITTLE jealous are we?
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Jeez dude...Just a LITTLE jealous are we?
Nope, just annoyed people are willing to pay so much for these things when someone like me with an excel spreadsheet and some common sense cant(won't) buy one for the prices dealers are able to charge. If I had to have one, I would own one by now.

I'd rather wait till the 8 speed comes out anyways.

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Nope, just annoyed people are willing to pay so much for these things when someone like me with an excel spreadsheet and some common sense cant(won't) buy one for the prices dealers are able to charge. If I had to have one, I would own one by now.

I'd rather wait till the 8 speed comes out anyways.
I assume you showed the dealer(s) your excel spreadsheet? And they STILL wouldn't give it to for f̶r̶e̶e̶ the kind of deal you wanted?
I hate it when people pay more for things than I want them to as well. If we can't control what other people do, what the heck is this world coming to?
Might I suggest visiting this website?:
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This woman(and her husband) has made a career of forcing other people to do what SHE wants, and severely punishing those who don't(she has 'em whacked)
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they are not moving that fast... i would think mainly because they are putting a diesel on high end trim..

i would see more value on diesel on a work truck type, not on an expensive z71 or trail boss


i would get a diesel but my wife is refusing to pay the extra $$$$ without justification.
I wish they made you a WT diesel.
And I want a Z71 LTZ diesel with all the options, sunroof down. I drive 20,000+ miles a year, I don't want to do it in a bare bones vehicle.
And I want leather so I can wash my dogs muddy footprints off the seat with just a damp cloth. Tired of these Z71 seats already and its not even hunting season.
When they come out with a properly equipped Z71 diesel with heated outside mirrors, sunroof and 8 way leather seats to go with Bose and Navigation, my son is going to find a used Z71 minimax in his parking spot.

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Nope, just annoyed people are willing to pay so much for these things when someone like me with an excel spreadsheet and some common sense cant(won't) buy one for the prices dealers are able to charge. If I had to have one, I would own one by now.

I'd rather wait till the 8 speed comes out anyways.
You are definitely bitter. You keep throwing in jabs like "people like you with some common sense". It is clear you are bitter or jealous. Here's some common sense: upgrades cost money.

I can build you a spreadsheet that says you'll never get the cost of a new vehicle back over buying an econobox that's 10 years old for $25k less. Why are you shopping for a brand new truck when common sense dictates you'll never see that money back? Your upgrade decision costs $30k. Where's your common sense?

If you can't justify one, do it with your own reasons and without tearing down the diesel version's current owners. It's not our fault that we see the value in a version of the truck with virtually (literally IMO) EVERY advantage over a gasser for just a little more money.

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I assume you showed the dealer(s) your excel spreadsheet? And they STILL wouldn't give it to for f̶r̶e̶e̶ the kind of deal you wanted?
I hate it when people pay more for things than I want them to as well. If we can't control what other people do, what the heck is this world coming to?
Might I suggest visiting this website?:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com
This woman(and her husband) has made a career of forcing other people to do what SHE wants, and severely punishing those who don't(she has 'em whacked)
I think you'll find she thinks a lot like yourself. Heck, you may even think it kismet that I gave you this link
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Might I suggest visiting this website?:
https://www.hillaryclinton.com
This woman(and her husband) has made a career of forcing other people to do what SHE wants, and severely punishing those who don't(she has 'em whacked)
I think you'll find she thinks a lot like yourself. Heck, you may even think it kismet that I gave you this link
@yokev - You have some interesting and insightful posts, but your obsessive hate towards Mrs. Clinton and her family severely detract from anything intelligent you may wish to say. There are plenty of political online forums, radio shows, and TV channels where you can go and stoke your loathing alongside like minded individuals. You should probably stick to comments about Colorados and Canyons here.

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Nope, just annoyed people are willing to pay so much for these things when someone like me with an excel spreadsheet and some common sense cant(won't) buy one for the prices dealers are able to charge. If I had to have one, I would own one by now.

I'd rather wait till the 8 speed comes out anyways.
I can't speak for everyone else, but the issue I have with your "argument" is that you are tossing trim level into the argument. If we are talking about the Duramax's value vs MPG savings then we really should only be talking about the price of the Duramax as an option (i.e. ~ $4k). Granted, even then the initial "cost to own" is still higher on the Diesel, but you also have to factor in how much someone drives (i.e. I drive 30k miles/year) and how long someone intends to keep it. When you take that information into consideration, the difference is negligible at first and become savings later.

The reason I don't think Trim should be considered is because most people buy the Trim level based on the features, options, and look and these things have their own value to consider.
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Let's keep the Clintons and any other political figures and topics out of the conversation please.

Stick to the thread topic.

Also avoid using all caps text in your posts. It is interpreted as shouting by many.

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@yokev

Let's keep the Clintons and any other political figures and topics out of the conversation please.

Stick to the thread topic.

Also avoid using all caps text in your posts. It is interpreted as shouting by many.
As far as Ms CLinton is concerned, believe me, I'm now paying the price for grabbing the link to her page. I'm now inundated with her banner ads when I come on here.
To using 'all caps', you'll have to forgive me, but if any of my posts are coming through all in caps, then there's a problem. I'll occasionally type a word(or two or three) in all caps for emphasis, but never type a full post that way.
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Not sure if @mass-hole is making an apples-to-apples comparison. Are you looking at a gas Z71 with options vs diesel? My understanding is that they're putting the diesels into the higher trim packages more than lower because of the demographic: folks willing to spend more initially on a diesel are often (though not always) likely to spend more on trim. It's economics on Chevy's part, plain and simple.

When buying diesel vs gas, you've gotta factor more than just the cost of fuel in:
- While the market for diesels is smaller, they typically hold value better than their sparky little brothers.
- Speaking of holding value: they do that because the engines are more robust and tend to last MUCH longer (we'll see if the same can be said for the exhaust management system, but I digress).
- Speaking of robust engines and sparky little brothers: no spark plugs to replace, as well as a much longer maintenance cycle means fewer trips to the mechanic for "routine" maintenance.
- Two words: Diesel. Torque.
- Though there is give-and-take on the environmental impacts of diesel vs gas, the "clean diesel" vehicles today pollute less per mile. Further, diesel contains more BTU per unit AND take less refining to produce. So long as you're not a "rolling thunder" guy/gal, buying a diesel vehicle is actually more environmentally friendly.

All this said, is it worth the thousands extra? Perhaps not. I'm not going to argue to-the-penny economics here. I'd say it is, at worst, a wash as far as economics but when you factor in the torque and environmental benefits, I'll buy diesel every time. It's why I'm driving a Colorado today.
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As far as Ms CLinton is concerned, believe me, I'm now paying the price for grabbing the link to her page. I'm now inundated with her banner ads when I come on here.
To using 'all caps', you'll have to forgive me, but if any of my posts are coming through all in caps, then there's a problem. I'll occasionally type a word(or two or three) in all caps for emphasis, but never type a full post that way.
Thanks for understanding. I'm no clinton fan myself but subjects like politics and religion are sensitive and get heated quickly so we mods and admins do our best to keep members away from those subjects.

As for the all caps, whether it is just a word or a complete sentence it is technically against the rules (I know it is a silly rule... but it is what it is). If you feel the need to emphasize a word or phrase maybe use a different color text or underline the word/sentence.

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Thanks for understanding. I'm no clinton fan myself but subjects like politics and religion are sensitive and get heated quickly so we mods and admins do our best to keep members away from those subjects.

As for the all caps, whether it is just a word or a complete sentence it is technically against the rules (I know it is a silly rule... but it is what it is). If you feel the need to emphasize a word or phrase maybe use a different color text or underline the word/sentence.

No harm done... thanks for the cooperation
No worries man. I'll prolly just bold the words from now on

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Well I might need to change my name now. Traded in the 2015 Canyon AT SB in for a 2016 Canyon SLT Diesel..... Love it! Pick her up at 3pm today. Deal I could not pass up thats for sure.
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Well I might need to change my name now. Traded in the 2015 Canyon AT SB in for a 2016 Canyon SLT Diesel..... Love it! Pick her up at 3pm today. Deal I could not pass up thats for sure.
OK, you can't get away w/ that minimal info! Tell us more about pricing, etc? Maybe should go in this thread, but would love to know the details!
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