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It's not necessarily the team, it's a perception of Brady and his personality (the illegal activity also helps the negativity). Perhaps its the media, social media, the area I live in, the people I surround myself with - whom perceive him being arrogant & conceited. All the illegal activities over the years - certainly doesn't help him (and the team) look any better. Regardless - they still got 'caught' and that shit spreads like wildfire.

Obviously, he's awfully good at what he does.....and has won a lot of Superbowls. If my team/s aren't playing - I ALWAYS route for the under-dog.

I like to see the Underdogs overcome and conquer!!
Fair enough opinion.
I would still say most of their "illegal" activities are questionable at best, with only coincidental evidence.
I do like to see the under dog come out and have a great season against some of the established forces, however in this case I'm obviously Pats.


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Nahh... Delusion is believing that PSI is really the weight of a given football and that lowering it would actually give a quarterback an advantage. :D I mean it take pure delusion to actually believe that a football that's officially 11" x 22" and would have roughly 200 sq inches of surface area (trying to account for the taper), and that's officially supposed to weigh no more than 15oz would somehow magically weight 2,500lbs when inflated to 12.5psi.

..and people legit wonder why us Pats fans look at people that actually believe that like they're Cretins. :D

If anything, a slightly depressurized football doesn't help a quarterback; it helps the receivers catch that ball. Then again, if that were the truth, how does that explain how they utterly destroyed the Colts by putting up 28 points AFTER they balls were replaced? Colts vs. Patriots - Game Summary - January 18, 2015 - ESPN

Delusion is also rejecting reality and substituting your own when it comes to the fact that temp and conditions have an affect on air pressure. If that's not the case then GM needs to fix either the TPSM sensors and/or rims on my truck. Otherwise that means that TB and whatstheirfaces personally take air out of my truck's tires at night in the winter and then as I'm driving flank my truck and put air back into them, all just to mess with me. :D

Delusion is also believing that TB's suspension had anything to do with the pressure in a football; it was just an affirmation that the commissioner had the ability to punish anyone in the league for anything he wanted because that's how it was written into the collective bargaining agreement. Most people outside of New England missed that because they couldn't read past the headline "Brady suspended for deflategate!". Then again, the whole overreach on the punishment was more of a way to get back at Belichick for the perceived light sentence from other teams that the Pat's got for Spygate (not to mention the head honchos at the NFL are still sore at him for leaving The Jets after being their coach for one day. If he came to N.E. and bombed they wouldn't have batted an eye though).

Then there's the whole situation where other teams were doing the same thing but only got a slap on the wrist. On that note, what ended up happening with the Steelers this year when there was a report of them using under-inflated balls? Oh that's right, nothing happened. It got swept under the rug.

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Thank you, well put.
Anyone that understands simple gas laws know how ridiculous the argument for deflation is, not mention the fact that AFTER they were "properly" inflated the score deficit was increased...

Anyway, I live in NE, they're a great team with some of the best players. I respect many other teams and players, if they got skill, they got skill. You can't deny that.
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I don't know about cheating in the Pros but he certainly cheated majorly at USC and left in disgrace. He's a scumbag for sure which makes it hard for me because I'm a Seahawks fan and he does get results.
How do you not know they just lost a draft pick, 3 OTA days in 2017 and $600,000 in fines for the team and Carroll. Just happened this fall.

Not that I care, ALL 32 teams cheat like maniacs, but only the most successful one gets any attention.
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How do you not know they just lost a draft pick, 3 OTA days in 2017 and $600,000 in fines for the team and Carroll. Just happened this fall.

Not that I care, ALL 32 teams cheat like maniacs, but only the most successful one gets any attention.
There's a whole website with how each team has 'cheated'
Your Team Cheats - The Definitive Guide to NFL Cheating

Not totally up to date it seems but goes to show how much cheating is rampant, on every team...

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This is the only thing you are saying that is relevant to Brady's suspension. He wasn't suspended for cheating, or for how much PSI his balls had . He was suspended for not cooperating with the league in the investigation. Brady could have handled this whole thing differently and the issue would have gone away with a minor slap on the hand. HE chose to make it a major issue.
Riiiiight. You're a Seahawks fan so no matter what's said you'll never believe it.

What else could he have done. He *DID* co-operate, but it's hard to do *everything* when you move the goal posts? He did offer Ted Wells to let them go through his phone with him present even though the phone was broken. He actually asked a few times and when Ted Well said they didn't need it because they had everything, he then destroyed the phone. He even told them he was going to do it!

Why'd he destroy the phone? For starters, so nobody could get any personal data off of it. Before you say "bull" keep in mind that in real life I'm an IT guy. It's trivial to recover data on a phone when you know how to do it. We also tend to look at these things from only our point of view and from our point of view it seems excessive and that the only reason is because there's something to hide.

As an IT guy *I personally* do destroy my phones when I'm done with them. I keep financial data on them and even if you use the factory erase function on them, it's still possible to recover for a determined person.

After he did it, that's when good ol' Roger wanted to see the phone.

You're right something stinks, but it's not what you think it is.

BTW you can read about the ruling on ESPN of all places:

Tom Brady of New England Patriots has four-game suspension for Deflategate reinstated by appeals court

The key paragraph here:

"We are pleased the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ruled today that the Commissioner properly exercised his authority under the collective bargaining agreement to act in cases involving the integrity of the game," the NFL said in a statement. "That authority has been recognized by many courts and has been expressly incorporated into every collective bargaining agreement between the NFL and NFLPA for the past 40 years."

Again, it's all about their authority. It's nothing about whether or not he was guilty of anything. If the court upheld the vacancy it'd put the whole collective bargaining agreement into jeopardy.

You're thinking about all of this under the umbrella of "right vs wrong". You have to think about it as a corporate douche and upholding power (and God knows I work with enough of those douches to understand their thinking. :D ).
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Riiiiight. You're a Seahawks fan so no matter what's said you'll never believe it. .
Well, clearly you aren't biased yourself.

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How do you not know they just lost a draft pick, 3 OTA days in 2017 and $600,000 in fines for the team and Carroll. Just happened this fall.

Not that I care, ALL 32 teams cheat like maniacs, but only the most successful one gets any attention.
Actually, I didn't know. I just got back last night from a business trip to Turkey. Anyway, just further reinforces what I said. Carroll is a scumbag, right?

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I'll be serving a bunch of drunk, low IQ Super Bowl fans...pretending that I care about "the big game" to take their tips and put them in my pocket. I am a lacrosse player...never been a football fan the game is too slow, mindless and boring to watch or play...
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Well all you guys and gals talk a lot... I just have to say, WOW! Great Game! And my team won! I was going to turn it off and watch a movie lol. It was the best superbowl in NFL history! That and the Jets beating the Colts. That sucked lol. I was a Colt fan.
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Great Game. Atlanta almost pulled it off, great comeback by the Pat's
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Who? Me?.Nah!
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This is the only thing you are saying that is relevant to Brady's suspension. He wasn't suspended for cheating, or for how much PSI his balls had . He was suspended for not cooperating with the league in the investigation. Brady could have handled this whole thing differently and the issue would have gone away with a minor slap on the hand. HE chose to make it a major issue.
If you mean by 'choosing' he wouldn't admit to deflating the ball(s), then you are correct.
Why should he have?
It was simply a power-play by Goodell that blew up in his face.
And tonight he got to eat CROW.
I'm not a Pats fan, but IMO if you're a football fan and don't consider yourself lucky that you're able to watch the greatest quarterback of all time play, you're gonna regret it in the not too distant future
That he's still so humble after all this just makes it easier to pull for the guy.
In a time where players call their head coaches by their first name(s)- a sign that they don't respect the position-, After 17-18 years, Brady still calls Belichick 'Coach', and still calls his owner 'Mr. Kraft'.
I heard Favre say to I wanna say one of the DeBartolo's at his HOF induction, "I never ran the plays 'Holmgren' sent in".
THAT'S an ego. He felt he was above his HEAD COACH, and he doesn't even have enough respect to call him 'Mike', 'Mike Holmgren', or what he should, 'Coach'. Just 'Holmgren' as in "my assistant 'Holmgren'"
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It was simply a power-play by Goodell that blew up in his face.
And tonight he got to eat CROW.
I'm not a Pats fan, but IMO if you're a football fan and don't consider yourself lucky that you're able to watch the greatest quarterback of all time play, you're gonna regret it in the not too distant future
You could barely hear Roger talk over the boos. You could see it on his face that he was beside himself over it all too. lol! The best is yet to come though. If Roger decides to brave Pats Nation again on opening day later this year, he won't be able to hear himself think. I just heard on 98.5 The Sports Hub from Scott Zolak (a former Pats quarterback that's now a radio personality) that Roger was literally booed all the way out of the NRG stadium and into his waiting limo. :D

You are so right about how historic this is. First coach and QB combo to win five superbowls together. First QB to have gone to seven of them and win five of them (at 39 years old of all things too). First team to come back from a 25 point deficit and win in the first Super Bowl to ever go into overtime. All in the salary cap and free agency era that's pretty much designed to prevent dynasties. That's not even going into the stats they've been putting up and the records they've been breaking. The even crazier part of all this is that neither Brady nor Belichick are retiring just yet. Never in a million years did I ever think we'd see something like this happen; especially with the Patriots of all teams. A lot of younger Patriot fans don't remember but they were the joke of the league for many years.
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Never in a million years did I ever think we'd see something like this happen; especially with the Patriots of all teams. A lot of younger Patriot fans don't remember but they were the joke of the league for many years.
Yup, I remember times when they constantly went 1-13 or 2-12 and we all thought that was a good year!!!!
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