If you consider W1's, W3's, Comps, and P1's "premium subs' and of similar quality and performance to W6's and L7's.... you have no clue what you're talking about. And do you know what "mediocre" means??? Ordinary or moderate. Not bad, not great. My money is on the fact that you're talking out of your ass. Just saying.

All i was saying is a W6 or L7 would have better sound quality and much more accurate bass compared to a W1, W3, or Comp. And it would hit harder. Get off your high horse.

1.) I never said they were premium subs. I also never said that they performed on the same level as the other subs you've took it upon yourself to metion. Define "performance", and you may find that you are grouping a broad range of subs into small groups, that are based merely upon uninformed opinions you've took it upon yourself to splurge out. You've simply made up what I've said. Weak shit if you can't quote someone's exact words. I want to know why the subs mediocre, though. Had any personal experience with any of them? Any factual, hard evidence that the products performed poorly? I need evidence, not your ignorant opinion on something you've probably heard about from your buddy's roomate, which was never true to begin with.

2.) If you want to rate an L7 over a W3, be my guest. You have no concept of SQ, whatsoever. You also lack enough common knowledge to group a W6 with an L7. Utter failure.

3.) How many installs have you done?

4.) Have any pics of what you're running?

5.) Ever worked in car audio?

I'm sure that you can ask anyone on here about what I'm saying, and for the most part, they'd back me 100%. I do know what I'm talking about, and I'll admit it if I happen to be wrong. But you sir, just happen to be ignorant, and fail to realize who you are arguing with, and most likely, what about. I'm not the forum noob, nor am I fond of individuals who make themselves popular on the forum(s) by means of proclaiming "mediocre", or possibly even ridiculous opinions and facts within their first 5 posts. Best of luck to you, but I can gurantee you that you won't get any satisfaction out of arguing with me, chap.

I won't put much effort into arguing with you, chap.

1. I never said higher end subs are in a small group and i never did imply that. And nope i'm not the first person to say a W3 is mediocre. That's based on my experience and a lot of other people i know in the industry as a professional or as an amateur as myself. In fact my most recent car an S2000 had a W3 in a manufacturer spec box.

2. I would rate a L7 over a W3 ANY DAY! My most recent off-road rig had an L7 also in a manufacturer spec box that i made. A L7 boxed to spec can produce very decent sound quality. You are full of horse manure or you just don't know what you're talking about.

3. Don't worry about me, chap. I have enough installs and builds under my belt.

4. Sure i can get pics of what i'm running... if you want pics of a '04 reg cab Z85 running a shitty ass Sony Xplode deck and stock front speakers. Just got it a week ago.

5. Absolutely. On an amateur level with my own and friends car builds. Equipment i have significant experience with on my vehicles (not including my friends builds and their equipment) would be Alpine, Polk, Image Dynamics, McIntosh, JL, Kicker, MB Quart, Infinity, Rockford, and more that i can list off the top of my head.

So people here would back you because of what? You are a more experienced Colorado Fans forum member? Your beef seems to be on the fact that i am a new forum member. Get real, chap. I have nothing to prove to you, and i won't waste my time. Like i said... get off your high Colorado Fans forum post count high horse.

First off, I don't go by post count. I don't work like that. I knew just as much about audio from post number ONE, as I do now. It's not about experience on "the forum". It's about real-life experience, and knowing what you're working with.

To the point, nonetheless, can you tell me WHY the W3 is a "mediocre" sub? You've told me that all kind of people you know think that, which I don't believe for a thing in the world, unless you are all that...retarded, but you've never told me why.? You've essentially worked around the issue. If you could get some proof of anything that you've said (for example; that an L7 is a sound quality sub), I might give you the oh so slightest of a bit of credit, but until then, you're just talk. No factual evidence. In fact, when you say, "don't worry about me, chap. I have enough builds under my belt.", do you honestly think I believe you? Absolutely not. I haven't seen a single build pic (if you can even call it that) of what you've got NOW, much less what you claim to have done in the past. I'm also pretty sure that if you piddle in audio so much, that you'd be naming products much better than what you have. You know, go ahead and tell me that you've installed Focal, CDT, RE, Fi, SSA, AQ, Rainbow, Helix, etc. Or do you think those are "mediocre" also? If so, then YOU tell ME what quality is, because I'm almost positive that you're lack of exposure to a broad range of components has led you to where you are now with what you are saying.

No, no, no, no, no!



That's more like it!

Enough!!!

The Brand Wars are starting to get old around here. I have never see it get this out of control.
First....nobody is right when it comes to arguing that "my recommendations are better than yours" and if you disagree then you are a Insert Name Calling Here.
Second....nobody here is an THE EXPERT and I'm getting sick of hearing how some think Audio is cut and dry.
There are thousands of products out there and each has it's own place in the market.
You all sound like nothing more than the guy at AudioWorld trying sell me something that the guy at AudioUniverse told me was junk.

So here is the solution.....
Recommend whatever product you feel fits the need of the member.
Allow them ask questions or pry for more information. Then let them do their own research and make their own decisions.
This is a discussion board and I'm not going to watch it taken over by anybody that thinks they know everything.
Cry, complain, call me names or take it however you want but I will no longer allow anybody to belittle another member because they do not agree.

Knock It OFF!!!

Gotcha' Tex

^^^ Thank you. Make a suggestion. If you don't like the suggestion, don't comment and make personal comments about others. Ya heard, Cici? Besides, what kind of evidence do you want? Receipts? Let me scan them for you... Get real.

Cool your wheels, if you don't have anything good to say then I recommend you don't say anything.

My intention was to keep him from discrediting the W3. My advice to the OP would be not to listen. That sums it up.


Thurr' you go.

Again my advice would be, do not lose your respect and stop playing this game.

the single db is running in his truck hits extremly hard and sounds crytal clear. pretty sure its jl for the sub the box and the amp.

and like tex said, suggest and let the member make up there own mind.



as for me i know jack about audio. but im running the infinity kappas in all 4 doors pushed by an infinity amp. d3, and a self powered mtx 10.

the mtx that i have adds a little base but does not hit very good, compared to the rest of the system.

Yes, I have the JL Audio crew cab Stealthbox which has the 10w3 and a JL Audio 500/5 amp. I hope to upgrade to the JL Audio new HD900/5 amp soon.







To answer your original question, I would recommend 2 10" subs. With a little more surface area in the two 10" subs, compared to one 12" sub, they'll produce a little more tight and solid bass and is typically easier to tune by an everyday consumer. A single 12" sub can produce deeper notes but may turn out a bit muddy if not tuned properly.

yeah thanks, i plan on getting two 10 " JLw3's. what amp could i use to run those?

NO!!!!!!! There you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To answer your question CC05. They're called Optimus I think. Or something like that. I'm sure they're cheap crap since they came out of my older sister's teal Duster so long ago. I just keep lugging them around because they're free and still work. I don't even know what you "chaps" are talking about half the time. Haha.

I've had a few W3's and they have all been pretty good. I'm a Memphis Audio man though so, never had a problem from any Memphis subs or amps and in my opinion you can't go wrong with them. I'm working on the same problem at the moment though, my friend is trying to turn me on to some kind of shallow mount boxes. If I get to see what they are I will try to update and post some pics.

i hav 2 12 kicker cvts, they sound nice